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kimolo
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptySun Nov 12, 2006 10:23 pm

Thesis:
The government has control over everything and everyone.

BA:
The government is already controlling us.
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metzpop


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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptySun Nov 12, 2006 11:27 pm

TS: The party values citizens who are unconscious and unaware of thier surroundings and life.

BA: Are the values of todays government the same as 1984's?
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptySun Nov 12, 2006 11:39 pm

TS the government took something away from the people

BA the people dont have any real feelings anymore
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptySun Nov 12, 2006 11:53 pm

TS:The Government rules by instilling fear in its populaiton, yet they are fearful of the populaiton themselves.

BA: The government rules by controlling people in many different ways.
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptySun Nov 12, 2006 11:55 pm

TS:
Each human has his or her own freedom that they live by under the circumstances of their government, but in 1984 the government goes to far.

BA:
But these days it's a good thing to use freedom for good things sucj as joinging the army to defend your freedom.
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Aurix21
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 12:03 am

TS: The Party in 1984 by George Orwell, maintains control of the people by eliminating thought.

BA: Thought is what allows people to rebel and bring change upon the world, therefor thought must be eliminated if someone wishes to control people.
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PostSubject: TS/BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 12:10 am

TS: Underneath their lustful idea of power and control, Big Brother and the Party are afraid of what might happen to them.

BA: Governments, including our own, are definitely a little paranoid of those who oppose said government especially because the amount of people in a country is so much greater than the amount of people in control of the country. It's interesting to think that if one day everyone simultaneously wanted to overthrow someone in a position of power that it would probably occur.
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 1:03 am

TS: In George Orwell's 1984, the government exercises a huge amount of control over all of Oceania's citizens by controlling their knowlege.

BA: Because human memory is easily influenced, it it very simple to control people by using their lapse in memory.
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 2:30 am

TS: Winston lying to the people of Oceania through his work shows that his character has to, somewhere in his mind, agree with the rules of Oceania. Yet, the reader is shown a different, rebellious side of Winston when he writes his inner thoughts in his diary.

BA: George Orwell uses 1984 to show that in society, there will always be two sides to every story but in the end, the stronger will prevail.
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 8:50 am

TS- There must be true significance in the Party making their people dirty.

BA- In the end it must be put forth that even though keeping clean is a very little thing, it could be the only thing that keeps us sane in times of great misery.
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 9:43 am

Thesis: The government is based on fear

BA: Though the society of 1984 is different from society today, the idea of fear ruling still exists. Saddam Hussein was a dictator who ruled the Iraqi people based on the fear of death and torture. Also, the fear of God’s wrath dictates the way many people live. Fear can control and decide how we live our lives. Until we conquer our fears, we won’t truly be free.
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 9:58 am

TS: The government is keeping the population in poverty so that they cannot rise up against them.

BA: Some governments will do anything to rule their people. They will use threats, deprivation, and tourture. If the United States government doesn't clean up its act we will end up like other countries that ruled through inhumane measures.
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 11:05 am

TS: Big Brother manipulates people to believe in him so they won't break off and believe in themselves.

BA: There is only one perspective in Oceania during 1984: Big Brother. Belief in another "party" or way of life is considered unorthodox and suspicious, and it might cost you your life. How do we, as American citizens, view government who have single minded perspectives like this one?
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 11:05 am

TS: Big Brother utilizes his power though denial of proper education and total control of thought

BA: Use education to your advantage so you can't be overtaken by a single group or poewr and you have your own knowledge of the past to back youp
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 11:24 am

TS=The Newspeak is making the language shorter to limit the freedom of thought.

BA= This relates to our everyday life because in teh media slangs and new terms or in movies will spread to everyone esle so a high powered influencing unit in our country can control what we say or how we say it.
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 12:22 pm

TS: The War in 1984 is not actually going on but instead is a creation of the government as a way to strike fear into the heart of the people.

BA: 1984's government ideals can be seen in the Iraqi governments before the war where people were to afraid to do anything against the government and were forced to believe what ever the government told them.
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 12:26 pm

TS~ Big Brother uses Newspeak to keep the citizens of Oceania under control by limiting how they can express themselves using the language.

BA~ Language is a powerful tool and can be used for the benefit or detriment of society.
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 1:14 pm

TS=The party's control over is people starts with the prohibiting of independent knowledge and consciousness

BA=Intelligence is not always a good thing to have in such government, for example in North Korea
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 1:19 pm

TS: Winston is a product of Big Brother

BA: Everyone is a product of their government, even if they rebel against it.
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 2:04 pm

TS: In a world of brainless fools, Winston Smith observes that there are certain people who will be vaporized b/c of their intellect and free thinking.


BA: Individual thought has in the past resulted in overthrowing the government. In Russia, many free thinking novelists disapear for what they write.
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 2:04 pm

TS: The Party has destroyed all memory and has re-shaped history, they have created fear throughout to take control.

BA: BB may just want to have the fame power and control so he can be known to the world, or he could be following the example of a dictator.
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 3:40 pm

TS: Winston would appear to be following blindly, but unlike other characters, he questions and wonders. This thinking for himself is what sets him apart from mediocre characters like Parsons.

BA: Blind faith is a deadly disease that spreads through some countries, allowing the people to lose control over their own beliefs and follow along with whoever leads the country, no matter how biased they are.
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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 5:41 pm

TS: In George Orwell's novel 1984 the government tries to imply fear and control the thoughts of the people to keep them under control but it doesn't always work.

BA:Syme is a sneaky character and you never know what he is giong to do next. Unpredictable things serve as a huge threat because there is no way of being prepared. The war that is presented in the book is not a big problem because the proles know when the bombs are going to be dropped, whereas the war with Iraq is unpredicable so it makes it a bigger problem.

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PostSubject: Re: TS and BA   TS and BA - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 13, 2006 6:03 pm

TS: Big Brother controls people by not educating people, using fear to his advantage, and holding back people's thoughts.

BA: People should take any opportunity to learn and know as much as they can, and make their own decisions, so people cant manipulate them.
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ts: The government rains fear down upon the public and because of that, everything done by thm is orthodoxy.
ba: ... because the mind has a tendency to wander. When the mind doesn't do that, it is being held back from its full capacity.
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