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Skierboy33 Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 19 Registration date : 2006-10-02
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:41 am | |
| TS: The party rules the proles by instilling fear in them, yet they are fearful of the proles themselves.
CD: "The proles are not human beings."(53)
CM: The government is afraid of revolt in the proles section of town, and that is why they must instill fear and need in the population. | |
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HalleB716 Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 21 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Creating Newspeak Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:25 am | |
| TS: The party aims to extinguish the possibility or individual thought by creating Newspeak.
CD: Big Brother is "getting language into its final shape...the shape it's going to have when nobody speaks anything else...he is destroying words [because] after all... what is justification is there for a word which is simply the opposite of some other word... [they] are just useless shades of meaning."
CM: Without a variety and range of words, one will not be able to express thought. Without expression and thought, people lose track of individuality and personality which creates the robotic society Big Brother wants. | |
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black_is_white Princepales
Number of posts : 11 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:51 am | |
| Thesis: How the people are tricked by the government.
CD: "How would you have a slogan like freedom is slavery when the concept of freedom has been abolished?"(53)
CM: If you are just a normal person in this society and you accept everything that the government tells you because you don't want to get in trouble, this would make perfect sense because it is all you know and to you it would be freedom. | |
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zinini Princepales
Number of posts : 10 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:32 am | |
| T.S The government tries to imply fear and control the thoughts of the poeple to keep them under conrol but it doesnt always work. CD "Syme will be vaporized. He is too intelligent. the party does not like such people." Cm Since syme is such a smarty man, Winston thinks that he will eventually find out something that he isnt supposed to know. This would be a big threat to the party since they act like they are hiding alot of information between the rewriting of documents and the thought polic. Also, just the fact that he thinks alot is dangerous because he could figure out that life was better before the revolution and could start a rebellion against big brother if he really wanted to. | |
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Bob_The_Paranoid_Schizo Princepales
Number of posts : 12 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:25 am | |
| Thesis: Big Brother uses Newspeak to keep the citizens of Oceania uunder control by limiting how they can express themeselves using the language.
CD: "Every year fewer and fewer words, and the range of consciousneww always a little smaller... In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it (52)."
CM: Not only does Newspeak make thoughtcrime impossible, it also makes the expression of ideas impossible. In this government there is no possibility for one of our great freedoms today: freedom of speech. This is a result of the concept of freedom being seen as a negative thing - an idea which the government has propagated. Also, the speech is so rigidly controlled that there are no words people can use to express ideas that differ from what the government considers normal and safe. | |
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Hubert003 Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 17 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:10 am | |
| TS: The government of Big Brother assets it's power over it's people by makng even celebration an order that is strictly overseen. CD: "From the grill at th ecounter the steam of the stew came pouring forht with a sour metallic smell which did not quite overcome the fumes of the victory gin." CM: the smell of the disgusting soup that is the despised lunch for all of the worker in Big Brother's industries is still not as foul smelling as that of their reward for their service, the unsavory victory gin. thus even the reward and celebration that is given to the workers keeps them opressed, yet they avoid drinking it because the government has ingrained in their brains the idea that although unpleasant the victory is still a victory. that they should be grateful that a victor should make them happy. | |
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CaptainMcnasty Primus Pilus
Number of posts : 109 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:16 am | |
| Thesis: Some call a state of blind faith a disease. A disease that is passed on because of a set environment where the disease can thrive. In George orwells 1984, the quote "Orthodoxy is unconciousness" can be directly related to the "Blind Faith Disease."
CD: "Orthodoxy is Unconciousness." (53)
CM: One might believe that Winston was a part of the "Disease," just like Parsons, but unlike Parsons, Winston question and wonders as he proceeds. Although he never shows any direct rebellion against Big Brother, it is this thinking and wondering that makes Winston unique, and will ultimately make him NOT a part of the "Disease." | |
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powderskier Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 16 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:18 am | |
| ts: The fact that winston is having a dream about his mom and sister is his way of subconciously justifying his hate for big brother
cd:"tragedy, he precieved, belonged to the ancien time, to a time when there were still privacy, love, and friendship , and when the members of a family stood by one another with out needing to know the reason"
cm: he could just lose his enthusiasm and become an actual supporter of the state, but insted he chooses to keep remebering how big brother killed his family. He doesnt remember his mother or father doing anything wrong, and his baby sister certainly didnt do anything wrong because she was very small when winston last saw her. | |
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talldarkandhandsome23 Princepales
Number of posts : 11 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:37 am | |
| TS: fear creates the human instict of suppresing the truth to survive.
CD: "Ah, well-what I mean to say, shows the right spirit, doesn't it? Mischeivous little beggars they are, both of them."
CM. He can't decide between riht and wrong, because he has learned to supress that, he subtly seems to be questioning through the way he speaks. | |
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PyroLion Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 18 Registration date : 2006-09-28
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:36 am | |
| CD: The aim of the Newspeak dictionary is to "narrow the range of thought(52)"
CM: By limiting what people can think through cutting back on language the people will not have the knowlage to rebel agienst Big Brother's Govn't. | |
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sportscar_freak Centurion
Number of posts : 36 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:11 pm | |
| TS: The government in 1984 is controlling its people through use of demoralizing "enemy attacks" and propaganda for a war that doesnt exist.
CD: The pictures showing the battle going on with Eurasia is always of the same soldier and plays on a loop.
CM: The picture goes on a loop because there is no war going on. The government wants to strike fear into its people to gain control so they bomb the proles an have fake Eurasian troops that they parade through the street. The proles always seem to have a sense of when the bombs are comming and know when to hide which suggests that they come at the ame time ever day and also shows that the attacks arn't real because they arn't hitting any stratigic points in the country. | |
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thegerman21 Princepales
Number of posts : 12 Registration date : 2006-10-02
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:12 pm | |
| Ts- Freedom really has been abolished because true freedom means to be able to act, feel, live, and behave without laws or rules in your way. CD- Freeom is the freedom to say that two plus two makes four. If that is granted, a else fallows. CM-The quote is a great one to say that freedom is to do what is wright and not wrong. That to fallow everyone else because you wouldn't be usingfreedom you would be as a slave to society. In 1984 not many people know that they don't have freedom, but you still have the choice to do what you want but there are soncequences. | |
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captainmilo47 Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 31 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:14 pm | |
| Thesis: The ultimate goal for big brother is to cut down the vocabulary of a single person to one word so that no one has any individuality and can't think for themselves and will listen and obey everything that big brohter says.
CD: "Do you realize that by the year 2050, there will not be a single person that can understand the conversation that we are having now"(53).
CM: Big Brother is trying to control the thought process of a single person by allowing them to only use one word, this way no one can think for themselves and no one can think badly of Big Brother. | |
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clichequeen Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 16 Age : 39 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:39 pm | |
| TS-Winston would rather be a prole than a party member because he would like the freedom to control his life, separae from the government.
CD-"Winston's greatest pleasure in life was his work"
CM-By stating that his work is all that he enjoys, Winston sends the message that he wishes there were other activities that could take the place of his work, and that could be his greatest pleasure. Because of Big Brother, however, activities outside of work are hard to attain. Winston wishes that he were a prole so that he could have hobbies that stray from his work and just freedom in general. | |
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applehead1024 Primus Pilus
Number of posts : 94 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:28 pm | |
| Thesis:The government is trying to control the party members through all aspects of their lives.
CD: The intentions are shown through descriptions, such as, "a low ceilinged crowded room, its walls grimy from contact with innumberable bodies." and talking with syme.
CM: The goverment controls the lives of the party members, partially through peoples enviroments. Such dirty and dark rooms are probably ment to crush peoples spirits and make them much easier to control. | |
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italy801 Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 20 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:29 pm | |
| TS: By dehumanizing a part of their society, Big Brother makes it so that they have an escape route, the Proles, to blame things on.
BA: By dehumanizing the proles, Big Brother makes it “okay” to attack, punish, or even kill proles. By ridding them of supposed “human-like” qualities, it makes them animals, or objects. | |
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alfredo_825 Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 16 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:42 pm | |
| Thesis statement: There are too many details involving the war that are constantly changing and suspicious, and it's hard to believe that the war is real.
CD: "the [possessed] some kind of instinct which told them several seconds in advance when a rocket was coming although the rockets supposedly traveled faster than the speed of sound" (84).
CM: HOw did the proles know the rocket was coming? It's almost impossible that they simply heard it, for Winston should have heard it as well. The only explination that sounds plausible is that the proles were informed in advance that a bomb would come that day. Perhaps the government releases bombs on the proles so that the war sounds more believable. | |
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deepriver4 Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 19 Registration date : 2006-09-28
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:51 pm | |
| TS: syme will be vaporized because he is too intelligent.
CD: "Syme will be vaporized. It is written in his face."
CM: Syme will be vaporized, but the way Winston says it is shocking. | |
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roadagent7746 Tribuni Angusticlavii
Number of posts : 158 Age : 40 Registration date : 2006-09-22
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:52 am | |
| TS: The Part is keeping the population in poverty so they cannot rise against them.
CD: "Everything had a battered, trampled look, as though the place had been visited by some large, violent animal(21)."
CM: The government wouldn't pay for buildings to be repaired, streets to be resurfaced, or public transportation for workers to get to work faster. (Late I know.) | |
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the1withthefreak Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 19 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:58 am | |
| TS: Everyone living in Oceania during 1984 didn't have to think.
CD: Orthodoxy means not thinking---not needing to think. <u>Orthodoxy is unconsciousness</u>.
CM: To think and have your own opinions is having your "ownlife", which is unorthodox. In 1984, if you were concious of your thoughts and your past, you could get vaporized. | |
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cobe1 Princepales
Number of posts : 12 Registration date : 2006-10-16
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:31 pm | |
| TS: Big Brother controls people by not educating people, using fear to his advantage, and holding back people's thoughts.
CD: "Orthodoxy is uncousciousness." (55)
CM: The word unconscoiusness just relates back to how Big Brother is controlling everything that is going on, so no one can be their own person, mind, or speak what they believe. | |
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