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Aurix21 Imperator
Number of posts : 112 Registration date : 2006-09-26
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:34 pm | |
| Thesis Statement: The party uses fear to control the people. (Paraphrasing)
Concrete Detail: "On each landing, opposite the lift wall, the poster with the enormous face gazed from the wall. It was one of those pictures which are so contrived that the eyes follow you about when you move. Big Brother Is Watching You read the caption." (1-2)
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kaitierose Princepales
Number of posts : 13 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:38 pm | |
| TS: Winston’s constant questioning of his own memories and the “memories” of the past created by the government demonstrate that truth and reality are shaped by our thoughts and perception of the world around us.
CD: “To the future or the past, to a time when thought is free, when men are different from one another and do not live alone, to a time when truth exists and what is done cannot be undone”(Orwell, 28)
CM: The real, omnipresent truth is not unique to one being but it is the standard by which we all choose to live. That truth can be melded and mutated to fit our thoughts, then accepted as our own truth | |
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Premier91 Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 16 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:39 pm | |
| Thesis Statement: O'Brien is the only member of the Inner party we meet in the book.
CD: We see that later in the book that O'Brien is totally to the "Party" and betrays Winston.
CM: O'Brien, a member of the Inner Party, employee at the ministry of Truth, Cheif to Winston. | |
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holamiamigo77 Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 18 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:01 pm | |
| Thesis: In 1984 by George Orwell the party limits and controls thought to maintain control of the people.
CD: "Orthodoxy means not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconciousness (53)."
CM: The ideal state that the party promotes is unconciousness and complete obediance by the masses. They want to control every persons mind because once people lose the capability to think for themselves, they lose the ability to change, and without the ability to change, the party endures forever. | |
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ghettoshack Princepales
Number of posts : 15 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:05 pm | |
| TS: Fear is used in the form of Big Brother giving the party the ability to keep control and stop people from questioning the truth
CD: "Big Brother is watching you."
CM: The idea of being watched all the time instills fear and makes people worry about everything they do. Fear of being caught makes people law abiding citizens. Punishment is feared so much that even when people beark rules, it is done in secret and doesn't make a difference. People fear the unknown and never knowing when BB is watching or what will happen if seen breaking rules is the greatest fear of all. | |
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nightstalker64 Princepales
Number of posts : 15 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:15 pm | |
| TS: newspeak is making the language shorter to limit the freedom of thought. Cd: "Dont you see that the wole aim of newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?" CM: if their intelect is complex then there will be o control | |
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superramsfan Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 20 Registration date : 2006-09-28
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:19 pm | |
| Thesis- everyone has a strong feeling of fear in their lives, the only emotion that the party encourages them to have
CD- "Always in your stomach and your skin there was a sort of protest, a feeling you had been cheated of something you had the right to (59)."
CM- The proles in reality are the most free group of people in the government, because the Thought Police don't enforce their laws on them. | |
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trackmeifyoucan Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 20 Registration date : 2006-09-28
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:33 pm | |
| TS: There must be true significance in the party making their people dirty
CD: "There had been a famine of them for months past. At any given moment there was some necessary article which the Party shops were unable to supply" (49).
CM: Making the people dirty is just another level filteration like a shifter that the Party is running through its people to discover the potentially dangerous ones and also to upset their human nature. | |
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skolf Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 20 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:40 pm | |
| TS: People that don't know how to think for themselves are the best party members for thought control.
CD: "HE could not follow the figures, but he was aware in some way a cause for satisfaction."
CM: Parsons has no idea if the numbers went up or down, only that the voice said it in a happy tone. Parsons then believes that it must be good. | |
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luckyyou3 Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 19 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:50 pm | |
| TS: The Party has full mind control over all the people.
CD: "On each landing, opposite the lift shaft, the poster with the enormous face gazed from the wall. It was one of those pictures which are so continued that eyes follow you about when you movie. BIG BROTHER IS WATHING YOU"(1-2).
CM: The description of the poster alone is haunting, this man watching your every move that is made makes people think that they cannot do anything without being watched. The caption "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU" (2), is everywhere, on books, coins, banners, stamps, and cigarette packets. There is no escaping it which may cause terror. | |
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firebirds21 Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 17 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:55 pm | |
| ts: Big Brother made the rest of society view the proles as if they are not human beings, but animals.
cd: by dehumanizing a part of their society, big brother makes it so tha they have a person/group to blame things or problems on.
cm: by blaming the worst people in society, not only does the story become plausible, but it makes bb look better for taking the dirt and crime off the streets. | |
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billwash Princepales
Number of posts : 8 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:08 pm | |
| Thesis statment: the party is very clever in trying to co yrol everyones minds. C.D. "Winston grestest pleasure in lif3ee was his work" (43)
CM. Winstlonsw work is his greatest pleasure because he has nothing else in his life to look forward to and get pleasure out of. | |
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snowchic101 Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 18 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:20 pm | |
| TS: the government is so afraid of losing control of their people that they rule using fear, vaporizing anyone who they cannot control, but by doing this, they are losing control.
CD: Syme is an example of a person who’s poses a threat to the stability of the government. He knows how the party works and functions. One example is when Syme is speaking about the hangings the party performs. “It was a good hanging, I think it spoils it when they tie their feet together”(49).
CM: The way Syme speaks about the hangings show that he knows the hangings are fake and preformed just to instill fear in the public. Because Syme is not afraid of the hangings and enjoys them, he is a threat to the government and will be vaporized. Vaporizing Syme won’t bring the government anymore control because there will always be another person like Syme to take his place and the government will keep slowly losing control. | |
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sweetshanghai Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 22 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:21 pm | |
| TS:In George Orwell's 1984, the man whom Winston overhears at lunch, represents the prototypical drone who has been brainwashed into a thoughtless state by the Party's propoganda.
CD: The man is discussing current political affairs and "whatever it was, you could be certain that every word of it was pure orthodoxy, pure ingsoc. Winston had a curious feeling that this was not a real human being but some kind of dummy" (54).
CM: This man has been so manipulated by the Party's control over his life that now, every word that comes out of his mouth is praising BB or giving thanks to The Party. He is the symbol for what the Party tries to mold its people to be: thoughtless beings w/ no emotions to interfere w/ that citizens intended purpose. | |
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moses24 Princepales
Number of posts : 15 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: ts/cd/cm Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:31 pm | |
| TS ~ The government is based on fear.
CD ~ "People who had incurred the displeasure of the party simply disappeared and were never heard of again."
CM ~ The government is using the people who willingly go against them to set examples. As a result, society acts the way Big Brother tells them to because they are afraid of the consequences. This fear controls the public's actions. Sincethe governemtn controls the fear, they control the people. | |
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thekingalmighty Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 16 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:03 pm | |
| TS: Syme's unique sense of knowledge demonstrates that intelligence is forbidden by the totalitarian system of the party.
CD: "There was something that he lacked: Discretion, aloofness, a sort of saving stupidity"(55).
CM: The government prefers people who are not stupid but who are clueless in a way. The smarter people tend to get everything faster and understand quicker than people who aren't. The government wants everything they do to be in clandestine way. People like Syme will be ungrateful to have around because once they find out the business of government; he'll try to understand.
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remember_the_name2 Princepales
Number of posts : 13 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:12 pm | |
| TS: In Big Brother's society thinking for yourself is not a good thing, the less you think, the longer until you are vaporized.
CD: "Orthodoxy means not thinking. Orthodoxy is unconciousness." (53)
"Don't you see the whole aim of newspeak is to narrow the range of though?"(52)
CM: If you follow the strict rules of BB society you don't get to think.
If you don't have words to express your feelings then your feelings get narrower so you can't learn to resent the government. | |
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angrypirate1323 Princepales
Number of posts : 15 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:12 pm | |
| TS: Winston's feelings about his lack of a definite post contribute to his dissatisfaction with the regime of Big brother.
CD: The past had not merely been altered, it had actually been destroyed.
CM: Winston hints at the fact the past is always being altered and that it is not a big deal. Winners write history? he is in total distress though, wiht the past being destroyed | |
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metzpop Centurion
Number of posts : 33 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:14 pm | |
| TS: Winston is a product of big brother
CD: "The few scattered survivors from the ancient world were incapable of comparing one age with another. They remembered a million useless things, a qurrel with a workmate, a hunt for a lost bycicle pump, the expession on a long dead sister's face (93)."
CM: Winston finds these memories usless because he has been influenced by the government to be cold and emotionless. He dos not care that this man has lost his sister because Winston does not understand love. B.B does not want Winston to love anyone because that shows loyalty to someone other than B.B. | |
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A_DAWG825 Princepales
Number of posts : 8 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:27 pm | |
| TS: There are too many details involving the war that are constantly changing and suspicious, and it's hard to believe that the was is real.
CD: "...they possessed some kind of instinct which told them several seconds in advance when a rocket was coming, although the rockets supposedly traveled faster than the speed of sound (84)."
CM: How did the proles know the rocket was coming? It's almost impossible that they simply heard it, for Winston should have heard it as well. The only explanation that sounds plausible is that the proles were informed in advance that a bomb would come that day. Perhaps the governement releases bombs on the proles... so that the war sounds more believable. | |
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crazyhappy23 Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 22 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:32 pm | |
| Thesis: The Party values members who are unconscious and unaware.
CD: " He could not follow the figures, but he was aware in some way a cause for satisfaction"(58).
CM: Parsons has no idea if the numbers went up or down, only that the voice says it in a happy tone. Parsons is unconsciously unaware about his life, just like everybody else in Oceania. | |
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CantMissKid Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 22 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: TS/CD/CM Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:34 pm | |
| TS: Blind Faith is the ruin of many.
CD: "Orthodoxy means not thinking, not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciouness."
CM: Religion is tearing apart the world, setting man on man, child on child, and country on country. | |
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nighttonthesun Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 20 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:03 am | |
| Thesis Statement: The concept of not being alone and having fear that the party is listening to their conversations describes that people in 1984 are never alone.
CD: "The poster with the enormous face gazed from the wall. It was one of those pictures which are so contrived that the eyes followed you about when you moved. Big Brother is watching you"(1-2).
CM: The fact that they are being told that someone is watching them inserts fear in the people, and they always want to follow the roles, because they know they are being watched. | |
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ladiablesse Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 19 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: brilliant paper Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:20 am | |
| TS: "While the party members are the privileged group in society, they are the ones who are strictly monitored. The proles, who are the lower class, actually have more freedom, but the altered reality set forth by the government dictates the upper and lower classes."
CD: "If there is hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the party ever be generated" (69).
CM: "In expressing this, Winston acknowledges that proles really hold the power, but the reality they live in doesn't recognize them as free or privileged. One of the party's motto is "Ignorance is strength." In this case, this is demonstrated by the fact that both the proles and the party members are ingnorant to the empowered state of the proles. The government is set up in such a way that the party members are accepted as the upper class and only they need to be monitored while the proles, who are accepted as the lower class, don't need to be told how to lead their lives so they aren't aware of the perverse reality of the situation." | |
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FatriaFace Pilus Prior
Number of posts : 17 Registration date : 2006-09-27
| Subject: Re: TS/CD/CM Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:38 am | |
| Thesis: The people of Oceania are living blindly due to Big Brother making everything that the people think to be stable, confusion.
CD: "how could you have a slogan like 'freedom is slavery' when the concept of freedom has been abolished"
CM: Big Brother's party is based around slogans that are very ironic. THey are able to be this way becuase the people dont know what they truly mean. | |
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